Post details: Huckabee, take two

12/22/07

Permalink 01:17:33 am, by Rossputin Email , 966 words, 135 views   English (US)
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Huckabee, take two

I received quite a few comments to my December 20th posting entitled "Huckabee is not a Republican...or shouldn't be"

Many of them were making what I thought were incorrect or simply silly arguments. I was waiting for a few to pile up in order to address them at once, but I was beaten to the punch by a reader, Ben, who submitted this excellent response. Thanks, Ben, for saving me some work.

Nearly all of the above comments deserve responses. I am a social conservative, a fiscal conservative, and a lifelong Republican. Here goes:

To Gerand, you are setting up a straw-man argument. Of course, states have the right of taxation. What Rossputin was pointing out was Huck's overall trend in tax policy, which is not good by a fiscally conservative Republican standard.

To Muwattalis, your read of the immigration debate is oversimplified and misleading. You are going to have to do a whole lot more heavy lifting (or at least sourcing) to show how "libertarianism is in political free fall." Your read of the immigration debate is also largely irrelevant here, since Huck himself is a newcomer to the strong enforcement side - which in fact muddles his otherwise populist views.

Some of us happen to be social and fiscal conservatives. The two wings of the party need each other. Why not pick a candidate who reflects both, rather than one who splits the party and destroys the agendas of both?

To nobodyislistening, simply plastering labels on those who disagree with you as "country club Republicans" only shows the weakness of your position. Hurling these epithets at someone like Rossputin (or, if you care to, me) only diminishes your credibility.

A true conservative? It means more than just being pro-life and pro-traditional marriage. In addition to the fiscal shortcomings so eloquently written about in this post, what about Huck's naive foreign policy that sounds like echoes of Barack Obama? Is this the guy you want as commander-in-chief in a time of war?

To Mark Rolfes, your comment is a total non-sequitur. Like Rossputin and me, you say you are animated by frustration with the lack of fiscal discipline shown by Congressional Republicans. How does that translate into support for Huckabee (who has been anything but an advocate for limited government)? McCain, maybe, for his lead on earmark reform, but he also pushed the giant Medicare expansion. Please clue me in here.

In summary, for all I know, most of the commenters here might be working for the Huckabee camp, since there are no links to follow that would identify them. That being said, their arguments need to be refuted. I'm writing to implore GOP primary voters to think seriously about their decisions. If you're going to support Huckabee, fine, but only if you at least got there by coming to grips with his record and having given some thought to a couple broad questions: 1) What would his foreign and domestic policy prescriptions really mean for our country? and 2) What are the odds he could actually win a general election?

Writing as a Baptist born-again Christian, let me remind you we are electing a President, not a pastor.

I would like to re-emphasize what I think is a crucial point in politics, specifically Republican politics, which I made in the original article:

The Republican Party is indeed a “big tent”. There is room for widely ranging views on a wide range of issues, from social issues to immigration to the war in Iraq. But supporting bigger government and higher taxes is not bringing a new view into the tent; it is burning down the tent, the very fabric of which is made of respect for liberty and limited government.

I know who Ben is, and I know that he thinks about politics and public policy a lot. I think it's quite interesting that people whose religious views are as different as his and mine (he a religious Christian and me a not-particularly-religious Jew) can come so close to agreement on so many things. And that's because we both realize that while a person's faith may guide his decision-making to a degree, following religious doctrine simply must not be the primary goal or modus operandi of a politician.

Think about Iraq: We're trying hard to keep the mullah's from imposing a government based on sharia (Islamic religious law), but we're not trying to eliminate religion from the country. And could you imagine any other approach that would have any chance of success in a very religious place with multiple groups of very strongly held differing opinions?

Well, the US is the most religious industrialized country. Is there any rational argument for making a Baptist pastor (whose every statement comes back to his religion being the most important thing in his life) the president of a nation which has, for example, more Catholics than Baptists, and has plenty of people of other denominations of Christianity as well as Jews, Hindus, etc?

I don't ask this from a politically correct point of view. I couldn't really care less about the liberals' talk of "diversity". My point is that Mitt Romney had something sort of wrong: What made America great was not just Freedom of Religion, but also Freedom from Religion in the sense of a state-sponsored religion, such as in England where the King or Queen is also head of the church. People must be free not to have the religion of others imposed on them through public policy. Let religious decisions or a Huckabee-style Christian version of Sharia be enacted in peoples' own homes if they want to live that way, or worst case at a state level. Our country is great precisely because we have tended to keep people like Mike Huckabee out of the White House.

Comments:

Comment from: Muwattalis [Visitor] Email
Polls make it quite clear that public support for free trade has collapsed (and if there had ever been any to begin with Clinton and Bush would have found it much easier to get NAFTA and CAFTA passed). Look up last Friday's WSJ (which I cannot link to because the article is not fully in the online WSJ). Then look up the poll they took last October which showed that 60% of Republicans believe that free trade is bad for America.

And tell me some more about how after the dot com crash, after Enron, after Tyco, after Global Crossing, after the subprime crash, after rampant use of NINJA (no income, no job, no assets) mortgage loans there is any public support for "deregulation".

I bring up the comprehensive immigration reform battle because it cannot be explained other than as the complete defeat of the libertarian cheap labor side by the populist side. It is no secret that libertarians who supported open borders on immigration also support free trade at all costs. Huckabee's position in opposition to both puts him squarely in the mainstream of the American people, who are still wondering when all those better jobs the free traders assured us would replace the manufacturing jobs lost will materialize.

Free trade libertarianism is so much political deadweight because the public has decided that a good job is worth more than cheap consumer electronics. Huckabee is the only GOP candidate who is actually where the American people are today on this issue. This isn't 1984 with the Reagan era celebration of risk. Those days are over. Working class and lower middle class Americans are NOT better off than they were seven years ago and it is not in the least surprising that they would stop supporting policies of 'wage restraint' that work against them.
PermalinkPermalink 12/24/07 @ 10:35
Comment from: Rossputin [Member] Email · http://www.rossputin.com
Muwattalis,

I very much disagree.

For all the populist talk against free trade, Congress almost never acts on it.

And I don't believe that the average person would actually vote against free trade once the ramifications of the vote were explained.

None of the Republican candidates are advocating open borders, so Huckabee's position doesn't differentiate him there.

As far as people not being better off, please show me your data.

Ross
PermalinkPermalink 12/24/07 @ 13:54
Comment from: Muwattalis [Visitor] Email
The American people have had sufficient real world experience with outsourcing, offshoring, the hemorraghing of manufacturing jobs that they recognize free trade to be essentially a massive transfer of wealth from people who live on paychecks to people who live on returns from capital. This is what the American people find so disturbing about the "New Inequality".

It is true that politically, the lobbyists have generally won and the American people have generally lost in Congressional trade battles. But the 'victory' was always Pyrrhic for the administration. The New Democrats who supported NAFTA were wiped out, giving Clinton the Congress that would impeach him. And of course Bush lost the House after CAFTA. In neither case did Clinton or Bush reap the barest shred of political capital.

It is true that Huckabee's position on border security is not unique. But then again, open borders and free trade are simply two sides of the same coin to glut the American labor market to drive down wages. Huckabee is in the unique position of being able to create a new majority based directly on the interests of those whose jobs the free traders assured us, "America can afford to lose". A new majority of evangelicals, Reagan Democrats, and even Black and Hispanic voters. The alliance of social conservatism and economic populism, to the utter horror of the secularist elite libertarian, will be the new majority of American politics.
PermalinkPermalink 12/25/07 @ 07:37
Comment from: Rossputin [Member] Email · http://www.rossputin.com
Muwattalis,

I think you're quite wrong, still.

While it's true that the number of manufacturing jobs has declined somewhat, that is due far more to increases in technology than in "outsourcing". Indeed, the US manufactures more than ever in absolute terms and our share of world manufacturing output has dropped only about 1% in recent years despite China's massive surge in output.

You talk like you watch too much Lou Dobbs. The American people are overall neither socially conservative nor economic populists. The lessons of history are too clear, especially on the latter, for that to be a reasonable choice even with mass media trying to push us that way.

Losing the House after CAFTA does not mean it was because of CAFTA. Please don't give me spurious causation arguments.

As far as social conservatives, many of them do not agree with using government to impose religion on people, so even though there are a fair number of evangelicals and such out there, there aren't enough to elect someone as bad as Huckabee.

Also, I suggest you read "The Forgotten Man" or some other good history of the depression. You'll learn very clearly how anti-free-trade policy and economic populism was a primary cause of the depression and the only reason it lasted as long as it did. The only reason someone like Huckabee could have even a small theoretical chance is that Americans have no knowledge of their own history. And clearly you don't either.

Finally, I should point out that you say Huckabee would be to the horror of the secularist elite libertarian. Actually, I think he'd be to the horror of anyone other than an economically-leftist evangelical who believes in a nanny state. In other words, he'd be unacceptable to the majority of the country, not just the narrow group that you mention.
PermalinkPermalink 12/25/07 @ 08:02

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