Post details: McCain or not McCain?

02/11/08

Permalink 05:55:31 am, by Rossputin Email , 570 words, 205 views   English (US)
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McCain or not McCain?

In what I expect will be a regular topic of discussion on these pages and on many (or most) other non-Democrat web pages, I continue to struggle with the idea of John McCain as the GOP nominee. Along those lines, here is an e-mail exchange I had yesterday with a well-known syndicated columnist:

First, me:

I read your piece on McCain being a fiscal conservative, and at least on the spending side he is clearly that.

But I'm really struggling to forgive him (something I'd never do completely, but might be able to do to the point of not considering him irredeemable) about McCain-Feingold, the most destructive attack on the First Amendment since the Alien and Sedition Acts.

To me, being mad about (or even scared about) Obama or Clinton is like being mad at a (particularly unruly breed of) dog for shitting on the rug or tearing up a chair. They're just being dogs, and you know what dogs are capable of before you get one.

McCain, on the other hand, claims to be a conservative Republican, yet has led the charge on so many unconstitutional and non-conservative policies, that I think he's far closer to evil than the other two. He's not a dumb dog. He's a conservative who intentionally ignores the constitution because it makes him feel better to think he's "getting money out of politics" or "treating immigrants humanely" or "dealing with our global warming crisis".

At this point, I'm 75% to vote Libertarian, 25% to vote for McCain. I'll let him try to convince me, but I'm skeptical that he can.

If he picks Huckabee as running mate, I'll probably vote Democrat for the first time in my life.

Anyway, I think it's highly unlikely that a Republican will be our next president. I don't think McCain can motivate the GOP electorate enough to compensate for the substantial enthusiasm on the socialist side. It's going to be a very bad two years or four years (depending on whether the GOP takes back the Senate in 2010), and it will be particularly bad if one or more Supreme Court justices resign during that time. I would expect two of them will, simply to ensure that a Democrat gets to choose their replacements. That is the only good reason I can think of, other than the war (which is not a small reason), to vote for McCain.

Still, if the election were today, I would not vote for him.

I'm interested in your reaction to my thoughts.

Best,
Ross

And now, him:

it will be particularly bad if one or more Supreme Court justices resign during that time.

Remember: All the justices could stay there, because they feel hale and hearty, or al-Qaeda could blow up the Supreme Court Building, in which case all nine of them will be replaced b the next Prez.

I just love when pundits say, "The next prez will name three people to the Court." How do they know?

You raise fine objections to Mac. All I can say is that either dog will shit ALL OVER the place. One because he doesn't know better and at least is honest about it. The other because she is vicious, malicious, and has criminal intent.

I simply would advise you to keep your mind open, listen to the arguments, and weight the choices and trade-offs. That's not brilliant insight, but pretty practical, under the circumstances.

Best wishes,

********

Comments:

Comment from: The Freak [Visitor]
Supreme court justices eventually die. Civil rights have ebbed and flowed.

Entitlements neither die nor ebb and flow -- they just get bigger. It's a kind of shit you can't clean up from the rug. Don't let that kind of dog into your house, if you can help it.
PermalinkPermalink 02/11/08 @ 08:01
Comment from: Joe Harrington [Visitor] Email
Ross,
I have been impressed by Obama's sticking to his guns about health insurance. Hillary is really trying to mandate it, and he has sounded Republican in his statements that people will buy it if it is affordable... and people shouldn't be forced into it... etc.

So, right now I am tending toward Obama.
As a county assembly delegate here in Colorado, I am trying to decide what to do with my vote to go to the state assembly and elect national delegates to Minneapolis.

It is possible, with the Huckabee pickups (blowouts) over the weekend, that McCain will get less than 1191 delegates, leaving us with that brokered convention. Romney holding ~ 270 delegates might be enough of a chip to bring him back into this, or allow a draft Gingrich chant to start...

What should I do as a delegate here in Colorado? Stick with Romney, or pick someone else to vote in, or abstain?
PermalinkPermalink 02/11/08 @ 11:31
Comment from: Rossputin [Member] Email · http://www.rossputin.com
Joe,

I'm a county delegate too, and I don't have any better answers than you do. It's fairly hard to be enthusiastic, isn't it?

So far, I like Obama better than Hillary, but in a way I'd like to make sure that a Democrat president is a failure, in terms of enacting major leftist legislation. I think Hillary is more likely to fail. So I don't know what I want if we're going to have a Dem in the White House.

Ross

PermalinkPermalink 02/11/08 @ 13:18
Comment from: brotio [Visitor] Email
The war is the only the reason I'll vote for McCain. Surrender in Iraq is Obama's policy, and it's probably the same for Hitlery, but she doesn't answer questions.

The high possibility of Supreme Court Justice Bill Clinton is another excellent reason to vote for McCain.

I do agree that the odds favor a Democrat winning, so buy all the scary-looking guns that your heart desires now. They may be illegal in 18 months.
PermalinkPermalink 02/11/08 @ 23:30
Comment from: Bob Piccard [Visitor] Email
Ross,

Time will tell, of course, but I'll bet that the number of conservatives who stay home or vote third party won't be big enough to make any difference.

Lefties go through this every four years and in the end, except for a few true believers who vote Progressive Labor or some such, we grit our teeth and talk about the lesser of two evils.

I do enjoy watching right-wingers do what I've been doing for as long as I've been voting.

Cordially,

Bob
PermalinkPermalink 02/12/08 @ 07:24
Comment from: Rossputin [Member] Email · http://www.rossputin.com
Hi Bob,

Are you saying that McCain has a higher chance than I believe because Dems won't end up being as motivated as they appear today?

Ross
PermalinkPermalink 02/12/08 @ 07:49
Comment from: Bob Piccard [Visitor] Email
All right. You asked. What I'm saying, McCain obviously gets every Republican to the left of James Dobson, which is most, and he gets, when the chips are down, almost all of the Republicans to the right of Dobson, too, because those people simply won't be able to tolerate the idea of national health insurance or getting out of this misbegotten war or adequate funding for education or environmental protection. That kind of thing.

And there are, right now, in Texas and Ohio and Florida and such places, lots of Democrats who are annoyed to be paying three bucks a gallon and they don't understand why their hundred and eighty K house is now worth one fifty and why their IRA has gone belly up and they know they can't possibly pay their kid's tuition at a state university and they'd probably vote for a white woman and they're not racists, you understand, but no way on God's green earth, in the privacy of a polling booth, will they vote for a black man.

So McCain, with his war record and his maverick rep, is attractive to those guys. They're not really voting for a Republican-- they're voting for a straight-talking war hero.

What I'm saying, I think this is McCain's year and I don't think he needs to worry about the right. Saving your presence, those people will come to him, pissing and moaning, to be sure, but come they will, because they have no choice.

PermalinkPermalink 02/12/08 @ 17:53

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