The 2010 Colorado Governor's race as enacted by Monty Python

I hope you enjoy watching this as much as I enjoyed subtitling it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRZwrtwyu5Y

  • jeremiahjj
    Comment from: jeremiahjj
    10/20/10 @ 07:54:07 am

    Republican Dan Maes may have captured the heart of some voters, but politically aware tea party members are moving to Tom Tancredo in droves. Sadly, though, enough of them will hang in with this fraud to allow Democrats to hang onto the Colorado governor’s office. Consider what kind of candidate tea partiers are looking for. They want someone who is new, who isn’t a political insider, who hasn’t been part of the Republican or Democratic political establishment. They want someone who won’t go along to get along, who will stand up for principles regardless of the consequences. Tea partiers want someone who believes the U.S. Constitution means it when it says rights not specifically granted to the federal government are specifically reserved to the states and the people. Tea partiers, meet former Congressman Tom Tancredo. From his college days, Tancredo has been a conservative. He supported the Vietnam War but was ranked 1-Y when he admitted to his draft board that he’d been treated for depression. He attempted but was unsuccessful in getting this designation reversed. Tancredo was teaching history in Denver when he won a seat in the Colorado House of Representatives. He served two terms in the legislature and became known as an opponent of bilingual education. Although his grandparents were emigrants, Tancredo believed English was the language of America. Tom Tancredo was appointed President Reagan’s area representative for the Department of Education. To the chagrin of the state teachers’ union, he reduced the number of his employees from 225 to 60. He demonstrated by deeds and not words that government could indeed be smaller. Tancredo's advocacy for principle went even further. He was critical of President George W. Bush’s border security policies. He opposed the president’s Medicare and prescription drug initiatives because, as he put it, they increased the size of government. While some Republicans criticized Tancredo for being outspoken, others said he was ahead of his time. He says what’s on his mind and lets the chips fall where they may. The National Taxpayers Union gave him an A for supporting what that organization called responsible tax and spending policies. Because he supported term limits, Tom Tancredo left Congress voluntarily. He turned down an opportunity to run for Colorado governor, preferring instead to let Scott McInnis represent the GOP. However, he and other Republicans extracted from McInnis a signed pledge that he would support conservative principles. When it became apparent that the McInnis campaign was faltering, Tancredo demanded that he and challenger Dan Maes withdraw and let the state GOP chairman appoint someone else. It wasn’t until McInnis lost the primary election that Tancredo entered the race for governor under the banner of the American Constitution Party. Thanks to Republicans and thinking tea partiers and independents, Tancredo is now within striking distance of Democrat John Hickenlooper, Denver’s quirky mayor. The only thing standing between Tancredo and a conservative win are Maes and tea party amateurs who don’t have a clue what to do with their numbers. It is this lack of common sense and unified direction that will drive the movement into the dustbin of history. It’s too bad; they could have made history had their energy been channeled more productively. Jere Joiner Divide, Colo.

  • Comment from: Rossputin
    10/20/10 @ 08:04:00 am

    Jere, I understand your comment but I have to say that some of the major Tea Party groups have also abandoned Maes in large numbers. The most prominent current Maes supporter, Joe Harrington, is absolutely NOT a Tea Partier. I think most Tea Party members -- including amateurs -- recognized their mistake and have moved away from Maes. I mean, that has to be the situation given Maes' poll numbers. In other words, people who are making the mistake of sticking with Maes are doing so because they are amateurs or for some other reason, not because of involvement with the Tea Party.

  • jeremiahjj
    Comment from: jeremiahjj
    10/20/10 @ 08:11:59 am

    Trying to combine principles with politics is like trying to get oil and water to mix -- it won't work. Politics is the art of what's possible. Politicians may be principled, but politics is how we get them elected. Dan Maes comes across as a principled person, but so do car salesmen. It's how they make their living. Maes has sold his supporters a broken-down car and called it reliable transportation. Boo-hiss on him and them too.

  • jeremiahjj
    Comment from: jeremiahjj
    10/20/10 @ 08:18:49 am

    The Liberty Bell in Woodland Park has a sign out front that reads "Pray the vote out." This is so typical of where Maes supporters are coming from. They are committed beyond all reason. They do not understand that Maes is your typical sociopath -- he can sell anything. And he's sold them his bill of goods. Pretty sad, actually.

  • joe harrington
    Comment from: joe harrington
    10/20/10 @ 09:22:09 am

    Ross - I love Monty Python and you've done well on this one. I have been a member of the Arapahoe Tea Party since February. I have volunteered, walked precincts (not just for Dan Maes, but also for Ken Buck since well before Norton looked like she was the inevitable candidate), and I am a tea partier. You may not want to define me that way to suit your caricature, but I am a tea partier. As to the fundamental question: I know you care little about the Party, but, pray tell, on what basis/logic would you suggest we amend the GOP rules... Should a candidate be forced out in favor of another candidate (even after a primary election) if they drop by 10%, 15%, 20%... or merely if it looks like the opponent is going to win? What is the basis for a Party if not for fielding a candidate, win, lose or draw? We don't dump our candidates. Ken Buck said something he shouldn't have over the weekend - lets band together and enlist Jane Norton (she wouldn't have been soo stupid as to utter what was on her mind in a MTP debate with Bennet). Forget the Governor's race... what is the basis of substitution that you feel should be applied even-handedly throughout GOP races in the State of Colorado? I nominate you to chair the Norton for Senate campaign on the _______________ party spot on the ballot! lets go! Jane for Senate!

  • Comment from: Rossputin
    10/20/10 @ 09:41:12 am

    Hey Joe, Sorry if I mischaracterized you re: the Tea Party. I didn't think you considered yourself part of that. I shouldn't have guessed, so I apologize and I take you at your word. Joe, your verbal reliance on the rules to me signals a weak position. The rules do not prohibit a candidate from dropping out. Or, perhaps a better idea at this time and very clearly within the rules, a candidate could say "I release my supporters to vote for X if they believe that's best for the state at this time. I appreciate the support of everyone who's stuck by me." I never said Dan should be "forced" out. I said he should voluntarily drop out. The candidate fielded by the Party in this case cannot and should not win. Just as Judge Jackson said that "the Constitution is not a suicide pact", neither is a political party. We should dump a candidate when we realize he shouldn't be a candidate. It's not just because he can't win. It's because the reason he can't win is that he has lost the confidence of the vast majority of the state. I don't know anybody who listens to anything Dan Maes says without wondering if it's a lie or at least an embellishment. This situation is very rare and does not require any change to GOP rules or any discussion of future evenhandedness. That's a red herring. Should something like this happen again, it should happen organically, like this did. And if the candidate is as selfish and worthless as Dan Maes, so be it. We'll live with the outcome of the election. What I said two paragraphs above about how people feel about Dan obviously does not apply to Ken Buck or any other candidate I know of in Colorado. Just because someone isn't likely to win is not a reason to ask them to get out. But someone who has lost the trust of the people should get out. Of course, someone who is of a character that would lose the trust of the people probably does not have the moral fiber to do the right thing and either get out of the race or release his few stubborn remaining supporters.

  • jeremiahjj
    Comment from: jeremiahjj
    10/20/10 @ 11:34:23 am

    Joe, I heard you on the radio this morning and don't doubt your sincerity. However, your undying commitment (my term, not yours) to Maes is misplaced. I am a retired cop. My BS antenna is always out. I am used to seeing flimflam artists. When I read Maes' web page I realized there was nothing there that could be verified. Then, when I met Maes, I realized that he was very good at making people believe his gift of gab. You see, even victims of flimflam artists (or con artists or sociopaths or whatever you want to call them) often remain true believers. They may know in their hearts they've been scammed, but they want to believe in the person who scammed them. They don't want their guy caught or punished. I've seen it so many times. I even know an elderly woman who lost her life's savings to a con artist. She was glad we caught him but she didn't want him put in the pokey. I thought, go figure. So I understand where you're coming from. You're not alone. It's hard to abandon someone you've believed in. Just realize that con artists never stop conning people. They're never at fault -- someone is always trying to get to 'em. Things are always somebody else's fault. They view the world as filled with people to be scammed. They even believe their own line of BS, which makes them all the more believable. I would urge you to look at Dan Maes' web page very carefully. Listen to what he says -- he blames Republicans, the GOP, the party, everyone but himself. If Dan Maes were stupid he'd be in the penitentiary. But he's not, so he's doing the next best thing -- he's a politician living off the contributions of the true believers. He'll go away once the campaign is over and we won't hear from him again -- unless he gets arrested, in which case he will be the topic of conversation all over again. But with any luck we won't hear from this fellow ever again, or anyone like him. Thanks for listening.

  • joe harrington
    Comment from: joe harrington
    10/20/10 @ 11:51:34 am

    If Maes had wanted to take money he would have taken it. Freda (the only one alleging he did take money) still to this day won't say how much she gave him. The reason is if she says it, and is then sued for libel, she will be forced under discovery to show her bank account statement on the day that she claims she made a withdrawal. And if the amount is $300 - she is sunk. She claims it was "way more". Well say how much Your Highness! You know damn well how much it was and playing coy if you are telling the truth isn't the right way to convince those "die-hard" Maes loyalists. Maes has never tried to take money from me. He never asked me for any contributions. I made them online on his website and he didn't find out for 5 weeks that I was the one who made the donation (he didn't put name to face until 5 weeks later). So I reject that Maes is a scam artist. My personal knowledge is that he isn't and he knew how much I put into the lawsuit against Tancredo and into other efforts - I would have been an easy mark if he wanted to ask for money. My analysis of Freda's story also tells me he isn't a scam artist. He wasn't running the most competent ship in taking contributions above the $100 limit, and in failing to record the occupation of long-retired people who volunteer for him (like Judy Andersen - one of the 9 people who were mis-categorized as "occupation - Unknown" and caused the $17K fine). BUT these errors were easy for someone who wasn't a politician, and who was running in the face of a scorched earth campaign to strip him of any personnel who could have been qualified to help him run a competent campaign. That is the untold story of this race. Not only did they scare off and blackmail Josh Penry and others, but they have systematically attacked the people (like Bob Balink) who joined Maes, and ensured through this scorched earth policy that Maes could not form a more competent organization.

  • jeremiahjj
    Comment from: jeremiahjj
    10/20/10 @ 03:17:10 pm

    "So I reject that Maes is a scam artist." You made my point, Joe. The Denver Post today pretty well says it all -- Running for office is the best job Maes has ever had. Have a nice day.

  • crankypuebloan
    Comment from: crankypuebloan
    10/20/10 @ 07:18:53 pm

    Gee, what an original concept, Ross

  • Comment from: Rossputin
    10/20/10 @ 07:49:47 pm

    Joe, Why can you NEVER just be honest about the complaints against Maes. Yes, some people believe he may be a scam artist. I never said that. I did say I think he's not competent. I also said and say again that I think his campaign is his only source of income, which is part of the reason he's not getting out. Your argument is basically one big straw man. At the end of the day, all that matters is that you admitted that you'd rather see a Governor Hickenlooper than see Dan Maes get out. You are destroying any hope you have of becoming an important player in Colorado politics, if that happens to be a motivation of yours.

  • joe harrington
    Comment from: joe harrington
    10/20/10 @ 10:23:13 pm

    Ross, "flimflam artists (or con artists or sociopaths or whatever you want to call them) often remain true believers. They may know in their hearts they've been scammed, but they want to believe in the person who scammed them." I was responding to the note above, excerpted here... he used the word scam-artist, con artist, flimflam... etc that was what I responded to. I don't aspire to any political role. I have a fine role cleaning up groundwater pollution all over the western hemisphere.

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